, they can't do something to bridge this in to a conversation next year. but when president obama says things through tim geithner that he said about raising tax rate and spend additional money, which is crazy, it makes people more concerned that a big overall grand bargain can't be reached next year. >> eric: martin, do you think a grand bargain won't be reached? >> i think it will. talk about what is going on now here first. you know, the president won the election. he campaigned on the basis of higher rates for the taxpayer income earners. no surprise. the republicans are asking shocked that the president is taking a tough line. i think they expect him to roll over and play dead. that is not the way things work in this town. he won the election. and he told the american people we were going to raise the rates on the top income earners. now that is what he is trying to do. i think there is some give here. i don't think it has to go up to 39.6. right now it's 35. maybe it goes up a point or two. listen, republicans need time to sort through all of this. there will be a short-term agreement.